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Post by stag on Mar 28, 2010 11:25:43 GMT -5
I agree Sonia it has nothing to do with the money....The jabs dont stop the dog from contracting the viras.They just lesson the severity of it....pups and older dogs are more lightly to be hit harder because of there weaker immune system. Like most things to do with the dogs i like to learn from my own experiences (hands on)...not take everthing i read or am told to be gospel..i like to keep an open mind about things.
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Post by stag on Mar 28, 2010 12:05:57 GMT -5
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Post by ragingstormkennels on Mar 28, 2010 12:44:23 GMT -5
Really interesting article, thanks for sharing it Glen.
Im pretty much the same I like to read differing opinions but like to learn from my own experiences too. Thats the key I think, immune systems need to be strong and youre good to go. I think we underestimate the strength of our dogs sometimes, after all they havent survived and evolved over thousands of years with vets and boosters. My point is I like to keep, whatever goes into my dogs as natural as possible and one of the people I admire and respect the most when it comes to such subjects is Daniel Scott who has researched the subject for the last 5-6 years and with his take on feeding a natural diet and the reasons to avoid theories that the vets are contracted into supporting and the rules of their veterinary association.
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Post by relic on Mar 29, 2010 11:48:01 GMT -5
well all of this talk about the vets has put a Joanna on me and my dog i notice blood in his wee over the weekend :-/so bucked him in for today £45 later to get my dog fingered 8-)and a cores of antibiotics fingers crossed but after 12 and a half years it is a snip and i can not put a prices on my old dog.
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Post by stag on Mar 29, 2010 12:00:49 GMT -5
LMFAO...at £45 to get me dog fingered.
Hope he comes good on them antibiotics bud.....he is a strong old boy for his age. Did they think he might have a kidney infection mate.
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Post by ragingstormkennels on Mar 29, 2010 12:46:07 GMT -5
Awwww hope he's ok and is able to get over the whole fingering experience lmfao Also totally agree, you cant put a price on your canine friends.
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Post by relic on Mar 29, 2010 13:30:37 GMT -5
LMFAO...at £45 to get me dog fingered. Hope he comes good on them antibiotics bud.....he is a strong old boy for his age. Did they think he might have a kidney infection mate. Thanks mate he is still big and strong but at his age i have got to expected it all now, they think it is a kidney infection he has got to go back next week if the antibiotics don't work
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Post by relic on Mar 29, 2010 13:33:28 GMT -5
Awwww hope he's ok and is able to get over the whole fingering experience lmfao Also totally agree, you cant put a price on your canine friends. Thanks Sonia i am going to get the good lady to do it to me tonight to see how long it takes to get over it it will get me in the spirit for gay pride this summer as well ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ragingstormkennels on Apr 1, 2010 19:47:18 GMT -5
PMSL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Awwww Mick, just wanted to know how it all went, have you gotten over it or have you started to walk with your knees together lmfao ;D ;D
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Post by relic on Apr 2, 2010 16:40:01 GMT -5
PMSL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Awwww Mick, just wanted to know how it all went, have you gotten over it or have you started to walk with your knees together lmfao ;D ;D We are still trying to dig her watch out so it has been a bit of a night mere but stiff upper lip and all that as it could of been a lot worse like the vets watch we are just about to give it one last blast if not up the A and E
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Post by grchmason on Apr 2, 2010 18:38:36 GMT -5
puppy jabs 25, no consultation fee, 2 weeks anti biotics 15, stools analysd 45, friends bitch spayed 50, castration 40, burst eye ball 10, my vets a star Excellent prices there Damm wish i lived near you Superb vet indeed his not local to windsor at all (fingers crossed)
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Post by orangepeel on Apr 9, 2010 15:53:49 GMT -5
as recently as 30 years ago thousnds of dogs dead annually of viruses. Something that can now be managed. Dont undrstnd why you would not., unless you cant afford it, but then you should not have a dog. All a bit hippy in my eyes.
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Post by hogdog on Apr 9, 2010 16:26:51 GMT -5
There's alot of misunderstanding of what jabs actually are, they're not 'chemicals' they are a very small dose of a dead virus which teaches the body to recognise it so that it can react if it happens to come across the live virus.
" The major veterinary associations now agree that vaccinations can trigger all sorts of maladies, from allergies to cancer"
^ Utter bollocks, I see that they don't mention who these organisations are or what they actually said. This kind of scaremongering has gone on before in human medicine with the result of the scare mongerer being found guilty of gross misconduct. I've no doubt that if these people were taken to court over the same thing the result would be exactly the same. This statement alone means that I'm not going to read anymore of that website, if you look hard enough you can seek to justify anything with the nonsense written by nutters with legitimate looking websites.
Some people and dogs will have noticable reactions to jabs, it is what happens when the immune system starts working to protect the body against a virus, sometimes you'll feel a bit rough, it is completely normal. Evidence of anything more serious is virtually non existent despite some very serious attempts at trying to prove a link.
Look at it this way,
Is there any evidence that the jabs will do your dog harm? Very little if any.
Is there any evidence that the jabs could save your dog's life? Yes, lots.
To me the cost is irrelevant, what's best for the dog is the only consideration.
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Post by ragingstormkennels on Apr 10, 2010 9:14:55 GMT -5
Totally agree Glen.
I for one will not change my views because someone on a forum thinks their opinion is right. The money issue is laughable........no one in their right mind is gonna try and save £30 when realistically, me for example spends in the region of about £2000 on food alone in a year for my dogs....not to mention the hundreds of collars and harnesses they get. The fact that people try and argue about what the vet says and to take it as gospel again makes me laugh, again how do you know their studies are legitimate and correct, unless you were part of those studies I don't think you can verify their legitimacy. After all if they advised you on how to keep your dog as healthy as possible, who would they rip off with their scaremongering and repeat visits to the vets? It makes me wonder because having owned 10 dogs in the last 20 years, not one of them has had regular jabs and none have ever come into contact with any virus of any sort. The jabs have been chemically preserved and treated so to me thats chemicals id rather not put into my dogs. Ive lost 3 dogs to cancer, which I personally think is down to commercial dog foods and chemicals or unnecessary medication prescribed by the vet. So I am being bit of a hippy with my dogs and do only allow natural organic produce for them to consume as well as keeping them away from my money hungry vet, that will 10/10 times prescribe antibiotics and pain killers for whatever my dog has problems with. Just remember you pay the vets salary he needs you to be regular customers.........not someone Id personally trust whole heartedly personally, when it comes to the welfare of my dogs which is way more important that £30.
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Post by hogdog on Apr 10, 2010 10:13:57 GMT -5
Of course you have to do whatever you think is best for your dogs. For me the science is very well proven over many years, vetinary medicine is the same as human medicine and I don't think many people would deny their children vaccines so the same should apply to dogs.
I personally know someone who lost two young dogs to Parvo virus because they didn't get jabs, it's just not worth the risk.
BTW Glen, I don't think Neil was reffering to anyone in particular but I'm sure he'll tell you that himself.
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