Stafford lines and their authenticity.

[ragingstormkennels]

Now this has baffled me for a long time........

I have been on another forum where the discussion took place of the "Dublin Red Strain" which as far as I was concerned was a proper strain of stafford, but theres a few old people, who have obviously been in the dog game for quite a while, that have come on to say that the line was a made up name and the first 2 dogs ever used were strays. How true it is I dont know.......seems you cannot trust anyone when it comes to the true history of dogs.

What my question is, if your as young as me (lol) how the hell are you really meant to know the truth, when people are so secretive, with the lies of dogs used, false pedigrees and "made up names" .......

Part of me says, well as long as you stay true to the dogs you feed and know their parents, thats what you should focus on and work with, but Im still interested in my dogs ancestors and where they came from if I was ever to see a throwback from way back, i'd like to know where it came from.

What do you guys think? Is it worth digging and maybe even being told something you didnt want to hear about your dogs ancestry, or just work on your current dogs and make sure you do well by them and stay true to their come about?

[crazyhorse]

i think history is history i wouldnt be worrying over dogs that were around 25 years ago, interesting as it is to have the knowledge it will have little bearing on what you are feeding today, just analyse them first 3 gens on ya ped and whats in your yard and if you are happy with what you have are fit for purpose proceed jmo

[ragingstormkennels]

Got to agree Phil, its a shame though......would be nice to hear the truth about some lines.

[nosurrender]

most peds have BS in them, many breeders will tell you storys of the great dogs behind your dogs just to get you to buy from them. Most genuine lads who own the real stuff only breed for themselves and close friends. Many people like the thought of owning a real stafford but many are not upto the task thats why the dogshome is full of staffords. Its a shame but true

[kager]

Got to agree with the above..and that goes for all Bullbreeds..lies and deceit sadly have played a huge part in the dog game for years, when we owned Pits back in the day paper hanging was rife, if some of the well known dogs were bred as often as they turned up on paperwork, they must of been bred form the day they opened their eyes to the day they closed them..
You just have to research as much as you can sift through the bullchit and then just enjoy the dog you have..
From a breeding perspective the more information you have the better, even if its not stuff you want to hear..you need to know as much as you can about the lineage of the dogs as it will have bearing on resulting offspring..
Deb

[czbrno]

These days i only truely believe what i see with my own eyes,for this is all i know 100% to be true

[ragingstormkennels]

Have to agree Deb and Bev, I wouldnt mind hearing the good or the bad, just want it to be the truth, but I think sometimes even thats not possible. Just hope people remain true to their dogs from now on even if the old timers did lie about pedigrees and dogs.

[hogdog]

That's why you're best to just ignore what the papers say and look at the dogs in front of you...parents and puppies. Even if there are good dogs in the pedigree it gaurantees nothing, contrary to the popular saying the apple sometimes falls a long way from the tree. If it didn't then Jordi Cruyff would have been a great footballer...he was rubbish.

[stag]

Some say you dont realy know whats in your dogs untill you start breeding.

[smokemontsbt]

I can trace my dogs back 12 generations 'on paper' but have to trust the pedigrees are correct. My dogs are all DNA profiled so at least any future generations from mine can be sure of their ancestors

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[firefly]

Jul 25, 2010 8:10:01 GMT -5 smokemontsbt said:

I can trace my dogs back 12 generations 'on paper' but have to trust the pedigrees are correct. My dogs are all DNA profiled so at least any future generations from mine can be sure of their ancestors

Thats the thing on paper but lets be honest its more about the dogs than paper and a fancy ped all the irish dogs have hung papers and anyone with any savvy knows and people that don't believe are full of well crap lmao

[smokemontsbt]

Aug 4, 2010 18:09:58 GMT -5 firefly said:

Jul 25, 2010 8:10:01 GMT -5 smokemontsbt said:

I can trace my dogs back 12 generations 'on paper' but have to trust the pedigrees are correct. My dogs are all DNA profiled so at least any future generations from mine can be sure of their ancestors

Thats the thing on paper but lets be honest its more about the dogs than paper and a fancy ped all the irish dogs have hung papers and anyone with any savvy knows and people that don't believe are full of well crap lmao

True...but as we also show our dogs, and breed for those lines, then the peds are important. I believe that for showing lines then DNA profiling should be compulsary to prove heritage.
We also have dogs that don't go near the show ring, and although KC reg, as you say it's more about the actual dogs than what is on paper

[poacher]

I have sat with Tony Lee , I think we were having a meal at the time, anyway he told me he got most of them were out of the dublin dogs home to sell to wanna bees and english dog show ers as most staffs then were red