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Post by grchmason on Jun 2, 2010 16:20:21 GMT -5
Hi Guys Now i have had alot thinking going on lately (Dangerous i know LOL!) But due to the RTA i was in had alot of time on my hands Now i love Weight pull, A Frame, Lure racing etc. But and a big but i'm bored shitless with it So got me thinking what do you guys think as to new TESTS for our Bull & Terriers? To really Raise the bar and show our dogs in a real good light as to what they deserve I really would like to see some sort of a test thats Mental as well as physical just to show how Clever, Witty, Balanced our dogs are ( I dont know like a DOG version of a quiz or that tv show the whole 19 yards) Also a stamina test for the dogs where truely a well conditioned and conformationly sound dog will stand out above the rest Now nothing im saying is set is stone just my 2 pence worth LOL!! But would really love to hear others thoughts on the subject Tarren
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Post by k9 on Jun 3, 2010 9:33:46 GMT -5
What about a rat pit ;D ;D ;D
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Post by relic on Jun 3, 2010 9:37:41 GMT -5
What about a rat pit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by orangepeel on Jun 4, 2010 14:01:07 GMT -5
got a few ideas mate, real enduranced based test, and lactic tolerance tests, i think these along with the odience tests real improvements can and should be made
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Post by grchmason on Jun 4, 2010 17:08:12 GMT -5
What about a rat pit ;D ;D ;D LOL!! Has to be some thing legal lads ;D Tarren
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Post by grchmason on Jun 4, 2010 17:43:34 GMT -5
got a few ideas mate, real enduranced based test, and lactic tolerance tests, i think these along with the odience tests real improvements can and should be made Hi Mate Now we are talking Come on would love to hear them Tarren
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Post by grchmason on Jun 4, 2010 17:56:25 GMT -5
Like i said guys i have been in the athletic dog scene for well over 10 years now and nothing has really of changed as to regards tests (events) and more inportantly the way we should be as to regards to portraying our dogs in the best possible light during the tests
You know like rules in each and every test clearly read out before a test in hand and just basic guide lines to adere to and of course good RULES!!
With all the bad press and more so bad people involved with the dogs we own and love we have to be so clean cut and proffessional
I just think we should be trying to improve on and innovate, it was that, that got me thinking of new tests to test the mind as well as the body of our dogs and raise the bar in Canine athletic tests
Obedience tests & Trails for dogs and handlers will be cool along with a real stamina event
Tarren
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Post by relic on Jun 5, 2010 2:48:45 GMT -5
i think that you would be moving in the right direction, then you would really be breeding best to best and with in a few generations you really would be seeing a difference in your sporting athletic dogs and your stock will be moving more away from the people with dogs that just do it for fun not that i am slagging them off as at lest they are doing something with their dogs not like most who do sod all and bred for money and colour, if you really wont to test your dogs to the max in the mind and for stammerer with out pitting them and breed the best then the things that you are saying can only help. good look to ye as these would be the type of dogs that i would wont on the end of my lead
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 5, 2010 5:31:01 GMT -5
Theres only one true test to produce the best dog, to achieve an "old tyme stafford" This saying is used all the time now by breeders but the stafford of old was breed for a job and unless you are testing your dog this way you have no right to call it an "old tyme dog" because its not. Sorry if this upsets people but real working dogmen dont give a f@@k what it looks like, why do you think the old dogs looks so different to each other because they were bred for a job not looks No Surrender
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Post by grchmason on Jun 5, 2010 6:14:30 GMT -5
i think that you would be moving in the right direction, then you would really be breeding best to best and with in a few generations you really would be seeing a difference in your sporting athletic dogs and your stock will be moving more away from the people with dogs that just do it for fun not that i am slagging them off as at lest they are doing something with their dogs not like most who do sod all and bred for money and colour, if you really wont to test your dogs to the max in the mind and for stammerer with out pitting them and breed the best then the things that you are saying can only help. good look to ye as these would be the type of dogs that i would wont on the end of my lead Hi Mike Not to worried about breeding side of things thats a totally different subject I was more reflecting on the types of tests that are more focused on mind and stamina and also ideas for new sorts of tests (events) to reflect the Bull & Terriers in a different light You know mate just something new and fresh Thanks Mike for your input as always mate still got get my collars Tarren
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Post by grchmason on Jun 5, 2010 6:21:23 GMT -5
Theres only one true test to produce the best dog, to achieve an "old tyme stafford" This saying is used all the time now by breeders but the stafford of old was breed for a job and unless you are testing your dog this way you have no right to call it an "old tyme dog" because its not. Sorry if this upsets people but real working dogmen dont give a f@@k what it looks like, why do you think the old dogs looks so different to each other because they were bred for a job not looks No Surrender Sorry Mate again different topic I'm not trying to produce the best dog to achieve the best old tyme stafford I'm trying to get peoples ideas or thoughts on any new tests (events) to really raise the bar with to test our dogs etc something different to the norm and more focused on mind of stamina Thanks for you input mate really appreciate it Tarren
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Post by hogdog on Jun 5, 2010 12:26:23 GMT -5
I would like to see temperament testing and more rigorous athletic tests (both explosive and endurance based), many of the events we do at the moment could be adapted to achieve this.
I would also like to see a test of the handler, I think obedience is often over-looked by 'our lot', it would be nice to see some improvement in that area.
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Post by hogdog on Jun 5, 2010 13:05:02 GMT -5
I'd also like to see a shorter, wider A frame with a crash mat (maybe an inch or so thick) either side or a large crash mat with the frame placed in the middle of it. I'd like to see A-frame competitions of a longer period. I know people aren't going to agree with me on this but I don't see why you can't have a ten minute contest TBH apart from the fitness of the handler. A five minute contest might be easier to get agreement on though.
We're seriously underestimating what our dogs are capable of at the moment.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2010 14:03:54 GMT -5
Yes i agree Owen!
I see our dogs all day long doing good things athletically and i know many can do more. But i would like to see the obedience side of things improved on....
It would be very impressive for Bull breeds if we could all get together ans show what a perfectly behaved group of dogs we have as well as great athletes.
The lure running is good fun but all that choking of the lure and using bite sticks is a bit past it for me... No dog is past basic obedience regardless of thier so called 'drive'.
It would be nice to see the event more geared to the relationship between handler and dog - rather than baiting the dog - it be on command. It has been something we have been really really working with our lot - its very rewarding.
I also have a friend that is a qualified mountain rescue trainer that said he would give us some time to help with some basic search and rescue work with the dogs.
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Post by grchmason on Jun 5, 2010 15:47:53 GMT -5
I would like to see temperament testing and more rigorous athletic tests (both explosive and endurance based), many of the events we do at the moment could be adapted to achieve this. I would also like to see a test of the handler, I think obedience is often over-looked by 'our lot', it would be nice to see some improvement in that area. I agree with most of what your saying But i think it's about time we see a new event where it really works the stamina and obedience and general state of mind side of the dog rather than prey drive But i couldn't agree more regarding seeing more obedience in our bull & terriers Thanks for your input appreciated Tarren
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