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Post by relic on Jun 7, 2010 14:38:48 GMT -5
Mate no mater wot i do or have done if my boy see a horse he wont's to fight it and shows me right up HE HE
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Post by Jessica on Jun 7, 2010 15:16:34 GMT -5
Those videos were incredible, very impressive. I have always stayed away from PP training just because I always encouraged my Pits and now Staffy to be friendly with people and would never tolerate any hint of man aggression but the MrK9 video was amazing, a real credit to them and their dogs. I would love to see some of our Bull Breeds doing obedience work like that, might even spur me on to do a bit more with Buddy. We have been looking into and researching PP for the last 4 years - We have met and discussed at depth with various trainers up and down the country and realised that they are all very different - From thier attitude to the dogs, breeds and most importantly thier attitude and methods of training. We have umd and ar'd about getting into pp training, but since finding a trainer that finally talks sense and has a very similar attitude to the guy in the clip we have decided to get into and take it further. ,We are not getting into this to make the dogs aggressive but to test them and our handling skills. It would be great to work over the next few years to get our dogs to some good standard. The control that they have is just incredible and the fact that its during and combined with the 'aggression' is just fantastic....It shows the potential of our dogs, i really believe with real had work we can get close to this.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 7, 2010 15:23:23 GMT -5
Yes fair point, I think first establish pack leader/follower status and then get a good level of obedience then take things in which ever direction you want. I must admit I did think watching those videos that the PP training could produce a better dog that understands it can only show aggression of any sort when asked to do so and therefore could make a more reliable dog in general. Trained right it makes it a much more reliable dog but do it wrong then you have got a liability on your hands. all was seek professional advise. Yes you are right. I don't want people to think i have put the clip up to suggest we should go and get our dogs trained up in PP. ...BUT i think the obedience is superb, if they can train and control thier dogs at this level its certainly possible - It involves a huge amount of training to get this but the dog you 'form' to get to this point is the most level headed, clear thinking, SAFE dog that would be an ambassador to our bull breeds IMO.
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Post by Bullrover on Jun 7, 2010 15:43:07 GMT -5
The obedience and the attention of the dog on the owner was great to watch, must give a real feeling of satisfaction. That sort of thing would definitely help address the stereotypical image of Bull breeds and their owners over here.
How long do you think it took them to get the dogs trained to that level?
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Post by relic on Jun 7, 2010 16:19:25 GMT -5
Trained right it makes it a much more reliable dog but do it wrong then you have got a liability on your hands. all was seek professional advise. Yes you are right. I don't want people to think i have put the clip up to suggest we should go and get our dogs trained up in PP. ...BUT i think the obedience is superb, if they can train and control thier dogs at this level its certainly possible - It involves a huge amount of training to get this but the dog you 'form' to get to this point is the most level headed, clear thinking, SAFE dog that would be an ambassador to our bull breeds IMO. The way i have all was seen it Jess if i am going to have a dog i am not going to feed and keep it for nothing and i don't mean making money from breading it they have got to work for me be my eyes and ears and protector, i have them for life so i wont a well trained and socialized dog. When my dog was attacked by a PRESA CANARIO that a pear of pricks had no mater how worked up he was he was waging his tail and having a fuss of a load of kids that had just seen wot had happened and when my mate had him on the sleeve he wagged his tail and had a little fuss off him as to him it was just a game of tug. All of my neighbors love my dog as they all know that he is well trained in all sorts and dose not make a nuisance of him self not like the fat noise staff two doors up that is all ways nipping at the kids on the road. Plus he has been so steady with are new little dog she picks on him all the time in his food hanging of his tug toys he just looks at me one snap and she would be no more. It makes them a much better dog with all of the obedience training well worth the time and effort
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Post by hogdog on Jun 7, 2010 16:38:15 GMT -5
I have concerns about doing PP with Sonny as I don't want him to think it's O.K to bite people but I do understand that done right it is entirely safe. I think that done badly it could be dangerous, especially with big, powerful dogs.
I know that you have very high standards Jess and I respect your opinion so I know that you will do it right.
Some people say that Bull breeds should not do PP work but that's exactly what the Bull Terrier was bred to do, Hinks advertised them as 'the gentleman's bodygaurd' (amongst other things).
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Post by relic on Jun 7, 2010 17:06:46 GMT -5
The working Bull terrier-bull mastiff-Airedale was all was worked and trained in the UK in this before the great war that's when they fell out of fever as a lot of men was bringing back the German shepherds not just in the UK but all over Europe that's why the bull and mastiff breeds deteriorated as they was manly just being bred for show with a lot of the working types nearly dieing out all over, if i had your chances with a old type bull terrier like that i would be right on it but that's me. He is still young so you can all was change your mind.
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Post by hogdog on Jun 7, 2010 18:41:15 GMT -5
I'll definitely consider doing it with Sonny as I'm sure he could be good at it but I really need to speak to an expert about the concerns I have before I start doing it.
I'd really like to get his obedience absolutely spot on which will be a task as he's far too focused when he's excited and it's hard to get him to snap out of it. I'm sure people think he's a wild when they see him at shows but he's actually very easy to deal with when he's out walking.
I'm pleased that people are thinking of the next step, we really need to see continuous improvement in all areas if we're to improve the breeds we have and to influence the public's perception in the right way.
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Post by relic on Jun 8, 2010 4:00:53 GMT -5
My boy was the same at his age full of it i just used to knock the wind out of him thirst with a warm up of a good bit of road work to empty him out then give him a bit of a run to limber him up for the flirt pole then when just be for he had enough of that i all was had two weighted bulls in my pocket and i would throw one the one way as far as i could then as he was coming back to me with it i would throw the ofter one in a different direction he would drop the bull as he was running for the offer bull i would keep that up for a bit with him jumping and turning and then walk his sweet off around the playing field that i would use, making him walk to heel with left and right turns stops downs and sits stays and all of the offer obedience's training that i was working on the most important one for me is to levee then about a mile of road work to worm down then home for a massage water food bed i would do this two times a day every day rain wind or shine till i though that is obedience was spot on before i started with the PP, but differently consult a expert dog trainer thirst with your concerns. I had some good lads around me to pint and guide me plus some good books to drop back on and the knowledge of keeping and training some very good mastiff breeds before hand so with this one i did not wont to make some of the same mistakes that i had mad before. All of the training that i was doing with him was washed away for 5 mins the one day before the PP training started just coming home the one morning from are training routine a German shepherd went for him as he went back for it i all was have had him on a long leather lead with a choke chain for control and a leather collar for neck protection i gave him the biggest next barker that i could as he went to the end of his lead, he jumped start up and went for me i hung that cunt strait away as i ant standing for any of my dogs showing me or family any aggression i had a 10 year odd lad in the house and he ant above him in the pack, when i got him home i was fuming and asked the misses wot went on when i went to work she was only taking the dog back to bed with her that big fucker in my bed with my lady now wonder he went for me as for as he was concern he was the same as me in the pack and that was his little test to topple me for my position as pack leader. so if you lot are thinking of doing any type of this sort of training get them dogs of your beds and settees.
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Post by grchmason on Jun 8, 2010 13:52:03 GMT -5
The obedience and the attention of the dog on the owner was great to watch, must give a real feeling of satisfaction. That sort of thing would definitely help address the stereotypical image of Bull breeds and their owners over here. How long do you think it took them to get the dogs trained to that level? First off Welcome aboard Bullrover Mate i have read your posts and loved everyone please keep writing superb stuff Jess as i said on the phone flyball is massive in the USA!!!! I was at East Anglian KC Staffordshire Bull Terrier Show with Mason and the Judge was the Great Mrs Nancy Maleck of Yankee Staffs America, She was brought over to judge the show. I will never forget that show Gary B was handling Mason was a massive class with great dogs all around me Cut a long story short Mason got 3 firsts and won the show now Mrs Nancy Maleck came over to me & Gary and said now if i had that dog he would be a FLYBALL Champion me and Gary looked at each other with a lost look and needless to say when i got home did some research and thought what a cool thing flyball is why don't we do it here LOL!! Nancy done a write up for the KC News letter about Mason and Flyball i will try dig it out now Thanks to everyone for there input in this between us all we will be a fource to be reckoned with yeee haaaa Tarren
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Post by grchmason on Jun 8, 2010 14:21:19 GMT -5
EASBT Club Uk Judge : Nancy Maleck (Yankeestaff) USA Riskys Tylers Dark Destroyer ( Mason ) Now the founders of the breed would have sat up and taken notice of this one! Height to weight ratio and standard of fitness made this pleasing black brindle a genuine athlete! Although his ring demeanor made it challenging to assess him, I know from personal experience that a dog that can run around in three circles and jump up to his owners head level before some others could get off the couch, is extremely sound and powerful. Many people mistake bulk for power but 'faster than a speeding bullet' with lean muscle mass attached is where the real power lies in these modern day athletes. Look-out agility and flyball when the secret is out about the balanced Stafford with drive to spare As promised Guys look forward to trying some Flyball Tarren
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