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Post by nosurrender on Jun 6, 2010 11:50:44 GMT -5
This is not a dig at anyone but I would like to know your thoughts regarding the title of CH and GR CH been awarded to dogs. I personally do not think that dogs taking part in athletic events are worthy of this title.I take my hat off to anyone who can be bothered to do something with their dog other than feed it and walk it round the block once a day but I personally think the dogs that have be tested where it counts are the only dogs worthy of becoming a CH or a GR CH. What next are you going to award your dogs a ROM dog. Here are some dogs that are worthy of been called a GR CH
DUKE vs BULLET 38lbs WINNER DUKE 58mins
DUKE vs CHARCOAL 33lbs WINNER DUKE 47mins
DUKE vs NERO 35lbs WINNER DUKE 57mins
DUKE vs FLINT 33lbs WINNER DUKE 27mins
DUKE vs TORRO 33lbs WINNER AND NOW GR CH DUKE 29mins
My next dog is GR CH ROCKY,
ROCKY vs SPIKE 35lbs WINNER ROCKY 22mins
ROCKY vs FRAZER 31lbs WINNER ROCKY 1hr40mins
ROCKY vs GNASHER 32lbs WINNER ROCKY 1hr13mins
ROCKY vs CH MARVIN 32lbs WINNER ROCKY 1hr48mins
ROCKY vs BOMBER 33lbs WINNER AND NOW GR CH ROCKY 1hr10mins
These 2 dogs were supposed to meet for their GR CH title but dog politics stoped this happening you would not believe the hype around this happening at the time. These dogs between them have done nearly13hrs of hard graft and our truely worthy of been called a GR CH. Now ask yourselves are your dogs worthy of been called a GR CH NO SURRENDER
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Post by relic on Jun 6, 2010 12:14:36 GMT -5
I think that your are right nosurrender these dogs have earned the right the hard way but its 2010 and i for one would not be up to it or for it to do this kind of thing with my dog one because i dont fancies putting my dog fro it or getting done for it as i dont fancy getting band for life from keeping my most treasured possessions, you are not liked in the nick for this sort of thing. But i would love a pup out of dogs like this that are true working bull and terriers but would that be me sporting this type of nasty blood sport or rescuing it to give it a better life in my eyes.
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Post by k9 on Jun 6, 2010 13:10:49 GMT -5
I think most people on here are not looking for pit gameness in there dogs but more an athletic type with good drive,good temps etc. There for they are two completely different paths (tests). Is there a need for real game dogs in 2010 ?.
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Post by hogdog on Jun 6, 2010 13:31:57 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with it. It's nice to have some recognition of a dog's abilities but how and why the award is given is very important or it becomes irrelevant.
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 6, 2010 13:46:41 GMT -5
The majority of bulls been bred are for money or colour not for the good of the breed. If the men who tested their dogs had not done so what would you have now. If this method of testing seems outdated and cruel in 2010 then so be it but certain people are quick to mention when selling pups how their dogs bred tight on Psycho lines or any other fighting strain thats in their pedigree, why if this so cruel. Anyone who has a stafford on this forum what were you looking for when you were searching for a pup??? Please tell.
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Post by orangepeel on Jun 6, 2010 17:12:34 GMT -5
Yes i admire the spirit of the fighting dog as a by product of the disgusting past time, and so called sport. Yes those dogs were athletes and you cannot test to these degrees legally anymore thank god. I dont think we should use these titles as they only glorify the the past cruelty inflicted on the poor animals. I see no problem in a working dog taking physical injury for a purpose, but i see no purpose in dog fighting, so whats the point in copying these titles.
We should not be getting away from it because our dogs do not deserve it, but because the more we get away from it the better we will be serving our dogs by providing them with adequate trials and not keep linking them them this senseless past. Who needs titles really, not the dogs, only the insecure human owners.
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Post by orangepeel on Jun 6, 2010 17:21:03 GMT -5
When im searching for a pup im looking for structure and temperment. I want a extremely athletic dog with wind, heart and good temperment, Not a killing machine. I could not care less if its down from the 'gamest dog in the world'. Most of those dogs were bred for one quality only and not one i would want if it lacked good temperment and good construction.
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Post by kirsty on Jun 7, 2010 11:42:13 GMT -5
Because my dog has a title does not make me insecure. I dont really care who thinks abbey deserves it either. I work hard with her weather it be obidience or athletics. Having a prize at the end is quite normal in all walks of life.
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Post by wybren on Jun 7, 2010 11:56:07 GMT -5
Times change. Don't look back to the past, but look to the future. It's great, that great performing dogs can achieve a title in athletic evenst. It gets people enthousiastic because it gives you a goal.
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Post by relic on Jun 7, 2010 13:07:33 GMT -5
And that's wot it is all about for me in every think to do with dogs ''GOALS'' from competing to keeping right thou to breeding as wot would be the point with out them.
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Post by hogdog on Jun 7, 2010 13:07:58 GMT -5
I don't think aiming for a title makes you insecure but the motive for trying to get titles or rosettes can be questioned because in a way it's seeking conformation or recognition of a dog's worth when really you know how good your dog is. Alot of it is about getting others to recognise it.
When a title is given as a matter of opinion rather than something that is given for unquestionable facts then there will always be debate over whether a dog deserves it.
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Post by kirsty on Jun 7, 2010 13:10:12 GMT -5
and i dont disagree entirely. I just found the comment a bit harsh.
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 7, 2010 13:53:09 GMT -5
Your dog can be given all the rosettes and trophys going but what does it really mean, the dog dont give a shite and 9 times out of 10 the judges giving them out are either friends of the owners or havent the right to be judges as they have owned a couple of dogs and consider themselves now an expert As I said Its better than sitting on the couch doing nothing with your dog but its getting out of hand. Everyone likes to be proud of there dog but if you enjoy weightpull with your dog get yourselves an ABD, if you like to see your dog chase the lure get yourself a wippet or a lurcher. If everyone thought as the majority on here there would be no game dog. We are all entitled to our veiws and this is a forum to air our views but dont look down your nose at people who test there dogs this way as without this practice you wouldnt the have fire in your dogs belly to make him a winner in what he does for you in your athletic events
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Post by hogdog on Jun 7, 2010 14:34:02 GMT -5
and i dont disagree entirely. I just found the comment a bit harsh. Yeah me too, I'll kick him in the nuts for you Kirst
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Post by Bullrover on Jun 7, 2010 15:02:02 GMT -5
I had Pits down from Skipper ROM and I have sometimes struggled in my own mind to reconcile my love of the Bull and Terrier type breeds and their qualities with the "sports" that forged them. I would not condone or be involved with matching or baiting but realise that without it we would not have the dogs we do today. I would not judge the dog men of old who matched and bred their dogs or look down my nose at them its just not something I would do.
In respect of titles for Bull and Terrier types I think the achievements of dogs in A- frame, weight pull etc deserve recognition but it should be in a different format to that of the matched dogs of old, ROM would be taking the p!ss for a dog that produced A-frame champs IMO.
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