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Post by nosurrender on Jun 13, 2010 13:06:47 GMT -5
262 views yet only Orangepeel has something to say
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Post by orangepeel on Jun 13, 2010 14:00:15 GMT -5
Ive always got something to say, never done me any favours though, lol.
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Post by hogdog on Jun 13, 2010 17:25:23 GMT -5
262 views yet only Orangepeel has something to say I think that's because not many people have objections to it's use in this context. Using the term for athletic achievements seems less objectionable to me than when it's used for 'champion' show dogs.
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Post by czbrno on Jun 14, 2010 1:14:56 GMT -5
I think that perhaps you are interpreting over 200 views and only one person entering into dog fighting debate wrongly.
I can only speak definately for myself but as a bullbreed owner to do not feel the need to publicly defend my opinion of fighting with someone obviously pro.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i think you will find that most people here do not support fighting with dogs,whatever their reasoning.
Your views regarding Ch and GR CH titles....i do not chase such titles myself but for what it is worth i believe they are awarded as part of a money making/ ego bullshit scheme. I certainly am not putting down any dogs awarded titles because i hav'nt even seen most of them- however i consider the folk offering titles unqualified to do so in the majority of causes,rendering them plastic trophies
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Post by Jessica on Jun 14, 2010 1:46:38 GMT -5
I think we all know that the GR CH title now are about the amount of money you spend for example on harnesses LOL ?? rather than how truly athletic your dogs are.... It is also allot to do with social groups fueled by the glory hunters seeking recognition, rosettes and trophies...
As far as the dog fighting GR CH i don't think its really relevant - For me its more a coincidence that they are the same titles as they are in no way comparable to what the dogs from the past had to endue in order to gain a GR CH title. Its all about money - The current day title have to easily achievable or people would loose interest.
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Post by orangepeel on Jun 14, 2010 2:25:27 GMT -5
I think that perhaps you are interpreting over 200 views and only one person entering into dog fighting debate wrongly. I can only speak definately for myself but as a bullbreed owner to do not feel the need to publicly defend my opinion of fighting with someone obviously pro. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i think you will find that most people here do not support fighting with dogs,whatever their reasoning. Your views regarding Ch and GR CH titles....i do not chase such titles myself but for what it is worth i believe they are awarded as part of a money making/ ego bullshit scheme. I certainly am not putting down any dogs awarded titles because i hav'nt even seen most of them- however i consider the folk offering titles unqualified to do so in the majority of causes,rendering them plastic trophies Hello czbrno, I would say that im not defending my opinion, more that im trying to highlight the inadequacies of the pro argument. I did think to myself half way through, 'whats the point as there views are stubbern and not gonna change'. It would be easier to just delete such posts but i think we should fight these theories of keeping dogs in such a manor. The real dogmen/women of today are there to see on the video put up by jessica. The k9 protection video. Amazing stuff with justly awarded certification.
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Post by orangepeel on Jun 14, 2010 2:36:44 GMT -5
I would just say that although the trials of the past have provided us with thesee amazing dogs, we do not need to concentrate on anything else than breeding best to best of todays humane trials, be they sporting, working, etc. This will hold the amount of drive, courage, temperment, structure etc correct for today. All the talk of pitting dogs in todays day and age is a shamefull reflection of our society, just as it was all those years ago. its good to talk , Cheers
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Post by k9 on Jun 14, 2010 3:37:03 GMT -5
The way i see it is society on a whole has moved forward..There was a time when people thought it ok to burn people at the stake for being a witch or sending a 6 year old child to work down the pit and it was ok to beat a woman for talking out of place and people would pit dog against dog...So thank god we have evolved away from such cruelty. As for the champion thing im not into all that myself...i dont need a judge to tell me my dogs are good..i know they are i test them myself and watch them work.As said already its all about people trying to make a pound or two out of others.
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Post by relic on Jun 14, 2010 3:44:21 GMT -5
This is slightly of topic but about it all. i have a game bred dog that is 13 soon i never got him to bred from or to show off with i had him to get him of the bastards that do fight dogs and to give him a bitter life dont get me wrong with some dogs he would love nuff think better than to get stuck in to even at his age but with the right training he has been my best dog that i have had so far. The last 6 mouths i have been looking around to see wot i can get from this type of stock and i must admit that i would prefer a dog that is bred on a sporting line in stead game breed at the mo they are all to fine and heavily in breed but the sporting dogs that most of you lot keep look a lot stronger and healthy, but i must say that when you all go on about the money in dog fighting you are wrong as there is only about the £300 in the purse and that is for the best dogs around, it is all about there lines and as they see it honer. But i believe in Carma the lad that bred my dog last a arm the lad that had the dog is fucked on the gear and the man that had the ofter pup that came to brum has been done for dog fighting related things 3 times he has been band for life from keeping dogs and is full of arthritis so wot comes around goes around in my eyes. but if it was not for men like them breeding dogs like them though out history we would not have these type of dogs around us to day so one side of me wont's to thank them and shack there hands for giving us the dogs well the offer side of me wont's to smash there fucking faces in for being cruel cunts and for adding to the problem that we have got with bull terrier breeds here now, as i think if it was not for them breeds that would have not hap-end to my little dog the offer day.
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Post by Bullrover on Jun 14, 2010 13:18:06 GMT -5
I think that there are people developing some outstanding dogs and achieving high standards in the current athletic trials which are worthy of recognition and recording but when I think of a Grand Champion of the pit my natural tendency is to have a higher regard for that dog than the other forms of Grand Champion. That said it does not necessarily mean the pit dog is actually a better dog, just that it has proved itself in a more demanding test. Titles are not a big deal to me but I would have a different title format for athletic trails from the old fighting titles.
The current UK athletic trials do not quite fire my blood enough to compare those titles with Pit titles although some people seem to be talking about possible sterner athletic tests in the future which may well add that spark, and would also provide a better way to test and select future breeding lines.
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 14, 2010 14:16:00 GMT -5
The way i see it is society on a whole has moved forward..There was a time when people thought it ok to burn people at the stake for being a witch or sending a 6 year old child to work down the pit and it was ok to beat a woman for talking out of place and people would pit dog against dog...So thank god we have evolved away from such cruelty. As for the champion thing im not into all that myself...i dont need a judge to tell me my dogs are good..i know they are i test them myself and watch them work.As said already its all about people trying to make a pound or two out of others. I think your right with regarding the burning at the stake and the kids down the pit been cruel but im sorry if a woman is going to talk out of place then shes asking for it
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 14, 2010 14:25:33 GMT -5
This post was a question to see if people thought the athletic dog was worthy of been given a GR CH title for jumping over a piece of wood, I personally did not and quoted dogfighting result to highlight what a real GR CH goes through to become one. How can anyone judge what a dog is made of from standing in a ring.
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Post by orangepeel on Jun 14, 2010 14:56:51 GMT -5
This post was a question to see if people thought the athletic dog was worthy of been given a GR CH title for jumping over a piece of wood, I personally did not and quoted dogfighting result to highlight what a real GR CH goes through to become one. How can anyone judge what a dog is made of from standing in a ring. Diffrent subject again, showing in the ring is not athletics. To understand whats being shown in the ring you must conformation and the mechanics involved with the correct structure . You cannot see what the dog is made of, if by that you mean wind and heart You dont get Gr Ch in the show ring.
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 14, 2010 15:11:25 GMT -5
No you get a lovely red rossette or if your really lucky you get a blue one. And can I ask what qualifications you have to be a judge at these shows
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 14, 2010 15:27:24 GMT -5
Peter Harris Big Red pulled over 2000lbs on weight pull over 20yrs ago and he was bred out Red Joe a game bred stafford can tell me why the modern day atherletic stafford can not at least equal this and now the weightpull is now on rails which is a lot easier.
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