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Post by martindk on Feb 6, 2010 13:57:56 GMT -5
nothing specific just curious on wher in the world people ar, you have a good looking dog and it sounds like you have a good minde on the weightpull thing..
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Post by .. Paul .. on Feb 6, 2010 14:41:58 GMT -5
cool cheers mate. i just made a sledge pull today. thanks again.
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Post by shakkastaffs on Feb 7, 2010 9:19:11 GMT -5
Unfortunatly my bitch will only pull for a flirt pole and on a collar weve tried for 2 years with harnesses she looks at me as if to say F*&@ OFF DAD. Oh well she pulls ok though.
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Post by jessica on Feb 8, 2010 5:14:30 GMT -5
Shakka i think its a personal preferance if a dog wants to pull on a collar i cant see the problem some of the best pull dogs i have seen will pul lon a collar, obviously it was be better for them to pull on a harness but not all dogs are the same?
Does anyone know the reason behind some people being so dead against dogs pulling on collars.
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Post by terryandbuster on Feb 8, 2010 14:32:56 GMT -5
I would love to get Buster into this, Paul may i ask how much your dog weighs and whats its max pull please? Kind Regards, Terry hey mate. my fergiie weighs 16.8kgs an her max weight pull is 630 kgs. her best is 37.5x her body weight. her best at comps she weighed in 18kgs an pulled 610kgs which is 33.33 x her body weight. but with with a lil push out due tyre flatness on cart she can do 650kgs with bout 38.6 x her body weight. just wondering why u asked mate. Cheers. Paul, i only asked as i find it amazing that such a little dog can pull so much Fergie must be very strong bitch congrats to you Kind Regards, Terry
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Post by martindk on Feb 8, 2010 14:41:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know the reason behind some people being so dead against dogs pulling on collars. yep i can say way a dog pulling at his collar will easy coud damage joints and muscles in the neck, a weightpull harness is designed to put pressure on the chest bone, and not in the neck muscles, in the long run a dog pulling in a color will harm themselves... a good puller pulls alot of weight somtimes 40 to 50 times is oven buddy weight and the is not good to put that kinde of weight in your color.. i have trained dogs for more then 15 years ind all kinds of dogs sports from IPO, agility, PP,ob, tracking and i have trained more then 50 dogs in weightpull and all my experience say that if a dog dosent what to pull in a harness or only whant to pull with bait it is not the dog but it is wrong and too little training.. i have never seen a dog ho can not laen to pull the right way, but it takes time and som times ALOT of time, it is traning, traning and more traning..
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Post by .. Paul .. on Feb 8, 2010 16:30:35 GMT -5
hey mate. my fergiie weighs 16.8kgs an her max weight pull is 630 kgs. her best is 37.5x her body weight. her best at comps she weighed in 18kgs an pulled 610kgs which is 33.33 x her body weight. but with with a lil push out due tyre flatness on cart she can do 650kgs with bout 38.6 x her body weight. just wondering why u asked mate. Cheers. Paul, i only asked as i find it amazing that such a little dog can pull so much Fergie must be very strong bitch congrats to you Kind Regards, Terry cheers mate. alot of work went into fergiie for that wp day. out 5 days a week doing leaning coller work an out on the bike 3 times a week for about 3 month prior event. she made me proud that day. the only thing she wont do is weight pull at home so only god knows where strength came from. it was very weird that day believe me. but alot of people say ur dog doesnt have weight pull train to be a good weight puller. she could pull alot more if she would train at home. were slowly getting there and im sure the wp day shell pull big. please be aware that she pulled on harness unbated an it was her first time ever wp. im pretty sure she could do more now i have more time for training her, thanks again paul
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Post by grchmason on Feb 8, 2010 16:54:49 GMT -5
You have done a superb job with Fergie
Well done Paul!!!!
Tarren
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Post by shakkastaffs on Feb 8, 2010 18:39:54 GMT -5
Mate i have tried for 2 years to get abbey to pull in a harness its not my training technique its the dog, she dont want to and wont pull in a harness, just the same as if she didnt want to pull on a collar she wouldnt. Shes been pulling this way for 2.5 years with the sorts of wieghts your talking about. Wouldnt she have hurt herself by now ? She will pull unbaited but that dont win competitions ! baiting her just gets a couple more pulls out of her, shes is very slick she dont jerk or jump around like many do on harnesses she just pulls nice and clean. Ive seen lots of dogs pull on collars for years but have not once witnessed or read of any injuries down to pulling on a collar. I am happy with her performances and will continue to let her pull this way of course the other dogs will be trained in harnesses but this bitch just wont budge. The 4 best uk pull dogs i know, pound for pound this year, all pulled in collars, all won thier events or came second to one of the others.
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Post by .. Paul .. on Feb 8, 2010 19:36:24 GMT -5
thanks tarren, .
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Post by martindk on Feb 8, 2010 20:02:09 GMT -5
wen weighpull startet up in scandinavia it was alowde to pull in the collor to at the time onley 8 dogs pull in weightpull 3 off thos 8 dogs ar now put down becours of neck problems..
yes you can be lucky that nothing will happen with your dog but 30-40 % dogs pulling in the collor for many years will harm themselves...
ther is a reson way all the big and serius org has made that rull to not pull on a collor.. i have seen and heard manny times my dog can not do that and so on, but i have never meet a dog i coudent get to pull in a harness or anny thing ells, and i have mastiff breeds that is not a easy dog to train, but i have them doing things a lot of people sad was imposibel..
but ok i dont know you or your dog, maby your ar right but sorry to say this and it is not to be rude or anything but i dont belive it, your dog woud be he only dog in my 15 years of training dogs ho cant lean to do what you whant.. but 1 is the first .
agien with the bait if you train your dogs right you will not get more out off bait, bait is the easy way to get a dog to pull, but fare for the best, and the best pulleres in the world is not dogs ther pulls on bait... one of the best i have seen is johnny deer cash (steve lewis´s dog dagger pitbull) hi has pull 6000 lbs on carpet and wheel´s. James Bates dog Nature Boy has pull around 14000 lbs on rails (cant remember the 100% right weight but i is around here) this dogs ar with out bait, and both Mr Lewis and Mr Bates startet up in weightpull wher pulling on collor and baiting was alow but dont do that anymore and do better then the have ewer don before...
my female bandog mastiff have pull 47 times here buddy weight on wheels and dirt (on a wp show, no bait and me standing 6-7 feet away from here and onley say WORK Zoey and nothing more. she has pull about 55 times in traning and she have had here on Rails 1 time 2 years ago (she was not at all as good as she is now) but she pull 91 times here buddy weight, no bait or any thing els but pulling on my comand.
on dogs pulling on collor or on bait will come close to the best weightpull dogs in the world (my dog is not even close not at all)
i dont say this tobe rude or any thing, do no hope you take it the wrong way, i just say it ho i see it and becours ther waqs a quistion about it..
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Post by martindk on Feb 8, 2010 20:06:24 GMT -5
getting a dog to pull is like any oher OB, sit down and so on.. wen you say your dog can pull in a harness is like wen people say my dogs cant sit or com wen it is in a collor, and sorry to say this but that is not right.. lean the dog yur pull command and do it right the dog will pull no matter wher your ar or what kinde of collor/harness or nothing it has on. it is simpel OB nothing els...
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Post by shakkastaffs on Feb 8, 2010 20:13:44 GMT -5
shes has her bronze silver and gold in obedience i dont see it as the problem. She just refuses to move with a harness on. Can she come for a holiday at your house martindk
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Post by martindk on Feb 8, 2010 20:18:56 GMT -5
yes you and here is more then welcom, and if i fail, I will bow for you and beg forgiveness ;-)
but as i say i dont know you or your dog and maby you ar right, i have just never meet a dog like that in my 15 years of traning dogs.
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Post by Jessica on Feb 9, 2010 16:02:19 GMT -5
This is sound advice and makes an interesting read, thanks for your contribution guys.
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