helping out the Amstaff club

[Quinlent]

The Amstaff club of Holland has got a new board and the new Board has changed their policy and want to develop more activity for their members and the dogs. they asked us if we could help the out and that is ofcourse we can.

Rik made the following pictures of the day
have fun with them Cheers - Marco

[jon1]

Some great pics there mate

[grchmason]

Hi Marco

Excellent pic's how do they do up against the Staffords?

Tarren

[Quinlent]

Aug 19, 2010 8:54:52 GMT -5 grchmason said:

Hi Marco

Excellent pic's how do they do up against the Staffords?

Tarren

nice results but they are much much bigger
The fast ones could compete with our fast Staffords.

but when trained more and a 10 kg less weight would certainly help them to beat the Staffords.
Marco

[Jessica]

Great pics Marco - They do look huge or your Staffords are Small :-)

I dont know much about Am Staffs - Am i right in thinking they are bred to be like Pitbulls for the show ring with not much drive, how are they different to Pitbulls?

[Quinlent]

Aug 20, 2010 3:20:04 GMT -5 Jessica said:

Great pics Marco - They do look huge or your Staffords are Small :-)

I dont know much about Am Staffs - Am i right in thinking they are bred to be like Pitbulls for the show ring with not much drive, how are they different to Pitbulls?

Oh that is interesting Questioning Jessica, you touched my heart with this.

Please let me explain.
Basically The American Staffordshire Terrier today is the american kennelclub bull and terrier type of dog. And can be compared to the majority of kennelclub Staffords but then built much much more sound then Staffords.

Now there is a misunderstanding that when a dog did not undertake any test it has no drive or to blame the breed for the feeding principles of a certain group of people. When a dog is not prepared for a job to do you can't blame him or her for behaving differently.

The Am Staff's i have known and trained (a lot) al had a fantastic spirit and ability it is a beautifull breed but it is mainly kept fat and with no knowledge of health. In the past they bred away from the pit bull having a gracefull dog in mind. technicaly superb movers can be found among them. But they also turned away from the ripped Pitbull and ofcourse exaggerated in that perspective.

The Amstaff's we had on that day where absolutely stunning on the lure and i am sure that among the ones we had there that day in my hands would be dogs / bitches to break records.

i know Amstaff's hunting Boar - being guide dogs for blind people - and everything in between this contrast. a good sized Amstaff is about 47 - 52 cm high with an average weight of 24 kg fit. and would easily beat a Stafford in comparising competition.

But as in Staffords that type is getting rare. the type of Amstaff i had back int he day (21 years ago) where basically a more inbred type to type then my Pitbulls where. But today The Amstaff suffers the same problem as the Pitbulls they become to big to be functional from an allround perspective.


i have found pictures of them but i can't scan them in. as soon as i founded that one out i will post them.

Cheers - Marco

[Jessica]

Aug 27, 2010 16:19:41 GMT -5 Quinlent said:

Aug 20, 2010 3:20:04 GMT -5 Jessica said:

Great pics Marco - They do look huge or your Staffords are Small :-)

I dont know much about Am Staffs - Am i right in thinking they are bred to be like Pitbulls for the show ring with not much drive, how are they different to Pitbulls?

Oh that is interesting Questioning Jessica, you touched my heart with this.

Please let me explain.
Basically The American Staffordshire Terrier today is the american kennelclub bull and terrier type of dog. And can be compared to the majority of kennelclub Staffords but then built much much more sound then Staffords.

Now there is a misunderstanding that when a dog did not undertake any test it has no drive or to blame the breed for the feeding principles of a certain group of people. When a dog is not prepared for a job to do you can't blame him or her for behaving differently.

The Am Staff's i have known and trained (a lot) al had a fantastic spirit and ability it is a beautifull breed but it is mainly kept fat and with no knowledge of health. In the past they bred away from the pit bull having a gracefull dog in mind. technicaly superb movers can be found among them. But they also turned away from the ripped Pitbull and ofcourse exaggerated in that perspective.

The Amstaff's we had on that day where absolutely stunning on the lure and i am sure that among the ones we had there that day in my hands would be dogs / bitches to break records.

i know Amstaff's hunting Boar - being guide dogs for blind people - and everything in between this contrast. a good sized Amstaff is about 47 - 52 cm high with an average weight of 24 kg fit. and would easily beat a Stafford in comparising competition.

But as in Staffords that type is getting rare. the type of Amstaff i had back int he day (21 years ago) where basically a more inbred type to type then my Pitbulls where. But today The Amstaff suffers the same problem as the Pitbulls they become to big to be functional from an allround perspective.


i have found pictures of them but i can't scan them in. as soon as i founded that one out i will post them.

Cheers - Marco

Thanks Marco for getting back to me on this one.

It has been a question that i have had answered in books i have read but always good to hear it 1st hand, certainly my prefered way of learning about another breed.

It seems as it is a case of it being about the handler as much as the breeding then? - Its interesting to hear your thoughts as i have often wondered...

It very much the case in so many breeds now - It seems humans just cant resist making everything extreme one way or another. Having said that not everyone wants to live with an athlete.

I would love to see your photos and how they compare to the Am staffs i see now.


Thanks again

Normally when i ask questions i get told I'm causing trouble - makes a nice change to have someone happy to answer ;D