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Post by hogdog on Jun 17, 2010 17:36:44 GMT -5
It depends what you mean by game, in the dog world the term has a very specific meaning that doesn't apply anywhere else and there's no way I'll ever know if Sonny is game in that sense. Is he tough? Yes. Is he bold and fearless? Yes. Is he up for fighting every dog that challenges him? No. He will happily walk away from a dog that shows agression towards him but he never does it because he's scared, he's just not interested in fighting and knows I don't want him to. It's more that he is completely confident and never feels threatened by other dogs, he always walks away with his head and tail held high, he's an absolute pleasure to own because of that. He did go through a stage of being aggressive with other dogs but I made it clear to him that it was unacceptable...I'm sure he'd be well up for it if I encouraged or allowed him to.
He does have an issue with Bulldogs so I try not to let him near them...whether you consider that to be a sign of gameness is up to you, as I say it depends on which version of gameness you're talking about.
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Post by czbrno on Jun 18, 2010 4:19:31 GMT -5
I am not sure WHY anyone here would need/want their dog to be game? Is there a place for gameness within bullbreeds in 2010?
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 18, 2010 4:28:33 GMT -5
hotdog sonny is still a young dog, in my experience with Bullterriers they are slow to mature so him getting on with other dogs maybe only for the time been especially as it has a dash of something else in there
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 18, 2010 4:41:01 GMT -5
I am not sure WHY anyone here would need/want their dog to be game? Is there a place for gameness within bullbreeds in 2010? . this comment just about sums it all up, why do you own a bull breed, can you give me a reason, why not some other breed as there so many other breeds out there
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Post by hogdog on Jun 18, 2010 6:26:31 GMT -5
I am not sure WHY anyone here would need/want their dog to be game? Is there a place for gameness within bullbreeds in 2010? I don't believe there is any need for it but how would we know if it's their anyway in the sense that it's normally used? I think we're probably talking about dog aggression here and I don't want dog aggression in my dogs and I try to discourage it as much as possible. I would have bought Sonny even if I knew he could be dog aggressive because it's something I can deal with even if I don't like it, as it happens his dog aggression is very low and as I said before that's brilliant. I would love him not to have any at all but breeding that out completely will take many, many generations...maybe one day. Until then I will always own a Bull and Terrier because that's where my heart is, I just can't get as motivated about any other breed.
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Post by hogdog on Jun 18, 2010 6:36:40 GMT -5
hotdog sonny is still a young dog, in my experience with Bullterriers they are slow to mature so him getting on with other dogs maybe only for the time been especially as it has a dash of something else in there You're right, he is a slow developer and he still looks and acts quite puppyish but he's 19 months now and if anything his dog aggression seems to be reducing. We'll see, I know he makes Neil nervous when he's off the lead because he really could do damage if he was to go for something. I know the risks and I continually monitor his behaviour, if he was to start showing aggression I would deal with it as appropriate. BTW, it's HoGdog ;D
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Post by czbrno on Jun 18, 2010 7:16:35 GMT -5
I am not sure WHY anyone here would need/want their dog to be game? Is there a place for gameness within bullbreeds in 2010? . this comment just about sums it all up, why do you own a bull breed, can you give me a reason, why not some other breed as there so many other breeds out there This shall be my last comment on this ridiculous subject. I shall leave you to your "muzzle matches" and i shall continue to enjoy my dogs without concerning myself with how well they would or wouldnt do tearing into another dog. My ego simply does not require me testing how 'ard my dog is.
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 18, 2010 8:55:22 GMT -5
. this comment just about sums it all up, why do you own a bull breed, can you give me a reason, why not some other breed as there so many other breeds out there This shall be my last comment on this ridiculous subject. I shall leave you to your "muzzle matches" and i shall continue to enjoy my dogs without concerning myself with how wel they would or wouldnt do tearing into another dog. why are you getting getting upset this is a forum to discuss sporting dogs, I asked you why a bullbreed when you chose your dog, it was a question that was all as for this rediculous subject you chose to comment on my post, personally if I'm not well educated on a subject I prefere to say nothing so I don't look stupid My ego simply does not require me testing how 'ard my dog is.
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 18, 2010 12:37:49 GMT -5
Why are you getting getting upset this is a forum to discuss sporting dogs, I asked you why a bullbreed when you chose your dog, it was a question that was all As for this rediculous subject you chose to comment on my post "My ego simply does not require me testing how 'ard my dog is" You have just proved to me you no nothing about the breed you own, I mean your making out you are a responsible owner and horrified by my views yet you are walking around with red nose dog, a "pitbull type" Personally if I'm not well educated on a subject I prefere to say nothing so I don't look stupid
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Post by Jessica on Jun 19, 2010 2:22:00 GMT -5
I am not sure WHY anyone here would need/want their dog to be game? Is there a place for gameness within bullbreeds in 2010? . this comment just about sums it all up, why do you own a bull breed, can you give me a reason, why not some other breed as there so many other breeds out there So what you are saying is all bullbreeds are game is that right?
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Post by relic on Jun 19, 2010 6:06:07 GMT -5
for me i ant bothered if my dog is game or wot, i never got him to test him that way i just wonted a dam good dog from good stock. but i new a few lads years ago that used to compete in wight pull with pit bulls so i am going back a good bit back and it used to eat a way at them weather there dogs were game or wot they was from game stock but that don't mien a thing it gives you a head start to get a dog out of the best around but it could be the biggest cur around you could breed that dog with anuffer cur and breed the gamest thing on 4 legs you never know until you do it and for me i could not give a sod as i don't breed bull terriers i just like a good dog from the best around, some KC staffs have been fond to be game and they have not been breed for any think apart from running a round a ring for years so i think that the jean is all was there if you have the bulls to fined out and i for one have not. they all did well at that sport the one lad it still gets him today weather the dogs that he bred was game pits and staffs they was good looking dogs and did well but he never had the bulls to do any think else apart from compete at the shows he would like to think that he has or had the bulls but he ant and naiver have i.
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 19, 2010 6:13:59 GMT -5
Yes your average bullbreed will have eliments of it somewhere deepdown inside, they are not cowards on the whole. But like any type of breed if dog after dog is bred for looks and colours alone bit by bit the original job of the dog whatever it was is slowly lost. Most dont understand the word "game" like czbrno for example "see how ard my dog is" Uneducated people with no understanding of gameness think that you have to breed dangerous dog to dangerous dog to achieve this trait when that could not be futher from the truth, most dangerous dogs are cur dogs, bullies that attack smaller weaker animals or humans. A gamedog knows what its job is and knows when to turn it on, and that is through selective breeding, A genuine dogman breeds for himself and close friends for little or no money and would rather cull the rest than put a gamedog in the wrong home as most are not educated or experienced enough to understand how these animals work. 9 times out of 10 the poor dog is passed round home to home or ends up in the pound because there owner can not cope. Before any dog is purchased the owwner should at least be aware of all the breeds traits and history before phoning some add in the paper and buying one.
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Post by relic on Jun 19, 2010 6:26:59 GMT -5
Yes your average bullbreed will have eliments of it somewhere deepdown inside, they are not cowards on the whole. But like any type of breed if dog after dog is bred for looks and colours alone bit by bit the original job of the dog whatever it was is slowly lost. Most dont understand the word "game" like czbrno for example "see how ard my dog is" Uneducated people with no understanding of gameness think that you have to breed dangerous dog to dangerous dog to achieve this trait when that could not be futher from the truth, most dangerous dogs are cur dogs, bullies that attack smaller weaker animals or humans. A gamedog knows what its job is and knows when to turn it on, and that is through selective breeding, A genuine dogman breeds for himself and close friends for little or no money and would rather cull the rest than put a gamedog in the wrong home as most are not educated or experienced enough to understand how these animals work. 9 times out of 10 the poor dog is passed round home to home or ends up in the pound because there owner can not cope. Before any dog is purchased the owwner should at least be aware of all the breeds traits and history before phoning some add in the paper and buying one. I know wot you are saying if i have a dog it is for life not to pass it on when the next's breed or line comes out and there is not many people that i would get a dog of and if i did breed i would make sure that all of the offspring went to understanding homes not just pass them on for the money and i would make sure that i could take dogs back or the very lest find them a home but not all dog owners are like that. just breeding for money 3 or 4 litters a year some times more from one back yard that ant on as if you are breeding that many dogs were do you get the time from to see or test your stock and i don't mine in the pit
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Post by nosurrender on Jun 19, 2010 10:27:58 GMT -5
The point im trying to make is there are a million and one breeds out there to choose from, if you want a companion dog a simple pet then why not go to a rescue home and save some poor dog from death instead of ruining the stafford
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Post by hogdog on Jun 19, 2010 13:14:56 GMT -5
The point im trying to make is there are a million and one breeds out there to choose from, if you want a companion dog a simple pet then why not go to a rescue home and save some poor dog from death instead of ruining the stafford The Stafford has alot more to offer than just 'gameness', it's a versatile breed that can make a fantastic pet or worker at almost any task you put it to. To imply that any Stafford owner who isn't a dog fighter is ruining the breed is niave and not a very clever thing to be saying on a public forum.
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